The Wild and Wacky Case of Phil Schneider 5

The FBI sent me an envelope with about 20 pages worth of an investigation report that began in March 1975 and concluded about a year later. This investigation details some significant facts about Phil Schneider that run counter to the claims he made at Survival Expo ’95. It also revealed something significant from Phil’s past.

The FBI investigation did not result in the filing of any charges so don’t get too excited. But it did provide detail into Phil’s life at the time when he should have been employed with one of the businesses where he allegedly worked. Remember, our hypothetical timeline based on Phil’s self-reported details indicates that Phil turned 18 in 1965. This is likely the year (1965) he graduated from high school. We calculated six years for his dual majors in Engineering and Geology bachelor’s and master’s degrees. That brings us to 1971. In less than 8 years, Phil would be at “war.” Schneider might never explain in detail where his 17 years fit chronologically in his life. If he does, I haven’t run across it.

That means we must make decisions about our hypothetical timeline. There isn’t enough time for Phil to have gone to school, gone to college, entered the workforce, and then worked for the government’s “black programs” for 17 years if these things happened consecutively. That is to say that the 17-year span didn’t begin or end at the Alien/Human War in Dulce, New Mexico. More likely, the 17 years span included time both before and after 1979. Despite grievous injuries sustained during an incredible experience, Phil didn’t let getting “gutting like a fish” by an alien laser stop him from his “black program” work.

What if Phil Schneider was none of the things he claimed to be? On March 22, 1975, four years prior to the Alien/Human War in Dulce, New Mexico, one of Phil Schneider’s “acquaintances” phoned in a report to the FBI’s Portland, OR office. This person reported to the Special Agent in Charge (SAC) that Phil was “…in possession of radioactive material with which [he] was attempting to make [a] ‘nuclear device.’”  

The investigation goes on to detail that Phil met a guy in a local tavern named George Meyer. At some point, Meyer asks Schneider if he is “interested in minerals.” Phil, of course, was interested in minerals (I’ll explain more on this later), so Meyer takes him to a house in Portland. Schneider tells the FBI that on or around December 1974, he removed approximately 300 pounds of material from the home which he took to his apartment and stored under his mattress.1

It is not immediately clear where the radioactive material came from prior to being taken to the home. Meyer had custody of the home for the purpose of handling the estate. Ownership was listed as Ruth L. Hall, recently deceased. Hall, it was rumored, had a nephew who was a geologist and was possibly responsible for the material being in the Hall home. The material was determined to be uranium ore.

Other than following home strangers that he meets in bars and accepting radioactive material from them, what does the FBI report tell us about Phil in the mid-70s? An FBI memo dated April 2nd, 1976 and composed by Special Agent David Milam, the document concludes:

No mention of college.

The first really unambiguous reflection that Schneider and his compatriots under investigation by the FBI are…different…comes in an FBI Memorandum dated April 7th, 1976:


It’s that last sentence. Read it again.

*NOTE: The 1970s were a different time and mental illness was less well understood. If the language or attitudes are offensive to you, be thankful at the progress we’ve made removing stigma from mental illness. But, also be mindful of the work that still needs to be done in this space.

A few pages later, in an FBI teletype dated March 28th, 1975, we read the following:

What do you do when you find out your subject was in a state mental institution? You shoot them a letter requesting the records.

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